We provide new lower bounds on the privacy guarantee of multi-epoch Adaptive Batch Linear Queries (ABLQ) mechanism with shuffled batch sampling, demonstrating substantial gaps when compared to Poisson subsampling; prior analysis was limited to a single epoch.Since the privacy analysis of Differentially Private Stochastic Gradient Descent (DP-SGD) is obtained by analyzing the ABLQ mechanism, this brings into serious question the common practice of implementing Shuffling based DP-SGD, but reporting privacy parameters as if Poisson subsampling was used.To understand the impact of this gap on the utility of trained machine learning models, we introduce a novel practical approach to implement Poisson subsampling at scale using massively parallel computation, and efficiently train models with the same.We provide a comparison between the utility of models trained with Poisson subsampling based DP-SGD, and the optimistic estimates of utility when using shuffling, via our new lower bounds on the privacy guarantee of ABLQ with shuffling.